I hate Goodreads reviews

Discussion in 'Fantasy' started by Noob, Mar 4, 2017.

  1. Noob

    Noob A Muggle

    Yeah, I would never post anything back if I was an author.

    Especially to someone who is batshit crazy/attention seeking
     
  2. Alucard

    Alucard In the name of the Pizza Lord. Charge! Staff Member

    There was a big kerfuffle a while back started by a literary critic who I have to say is an embarrassment to his profession when he posted this just after Terry Pratchett died.
    https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...g/31/terry-pratchett-is-not-a-literary-genius

    The editor who ok'ed this embarrassment to be published should be ashamed. But the reason why they probably published was clicks i.e attention seeking.
    So in this world of ours you have professional critics who don't read what they critique.

    His words:
    It does not matter to me if Terry Pratchett’s final novel is a worthy epitaph or not, or if he wanted it to be pulped by a steamroller. I have never read a single one of his books and I never plan to. Life’s too short.


    Not even professionals act professionally anymore. Everything's a joke.
     
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  3. Noob

    Noob A Muggle

    If you write a normal book these days you're sexist. That's what I've learned from Goodreads,
     
  4. Sneaky Burrito

    Sneaky Burrito Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member

    I don't have a Goodreads account. But your first sentence is spot-on. I do write Amazon reviews and I have had authors comment there. I once got into an argument in the comments on one of my reviews with an MD, the author of a health book, because he was unwilling to draw any actual conclusions from data. He would present multiple studies with seemingly contradictory results and then not make a recommendation. I mean, you are the expert, you have the degree, and like why write a book if that's how you're going to be? He came off as really unprofessional based on his comments. I also sometimes get comments from authors thanking me for my review. I don't respond to those. It seems a bit desperate, especially if the book is a few years old -- like why are you hanging around, checking all your book pages for new reviews?

    So yeah, authors, don't engage in review comments.

    Sometimes negative reviews can be a selling point. If the person who wrote the review hates it because it has too many 4-letter words or anti-religious themes or something, I might still be interested, as an example. I don't know that the review under discussion is a selling point, but neither is it a review I would actually read in its entirety (and I WRITE long reviews, but that fixates on one point for entirely too long -- we get it, move on, or use it as a subject for a paper in your women's studies class or something, and I am not knocking women's studies classes -- I took a few in college and thought them to be an interesting combination of economics, sociology, political theory, etc.).
     
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  5. Noob

    Noob A Muggle

    Lol good reads emailed me to say that my account was closed because of not agreeing with other reviewers.....meanwhile women can argue with authors and call other people beta cucks etc.

    Triggered reviewers are triggered!
     
  6. Cephalophore

    Cephalophore A farm boy with a sword

    Has anyone noticed the 'top' Goodreads review for A Game of Thrones? It's a long and pretentious one star review. If you look at what else the same user has reviewed, he's also left similar reviews for The Lord of the Rings, The Shadow of the Torturer, The Anubis Gates, etc... He's obviously got some sort of axe to grind about what the fantasy genre 'should' be!
     
  7. Derk of Derkholm

    Derk of Derkholm Journeyed there and back again

    Hmm, I'm not sure.

    For example, check out the 50 Shades of Grey reviews on goodreads ... mind you, I haven't read the book (and don't plan to), mainly because I guess that those reviews are likely pretty spot on. And yes, there is one glowingly positive one for every 9 that bash the book among the "most useful" community reviews - which is fine, as there are surely people out there who like those books.
     
  8. Silvion Night

    Silvion Night Sir Readalot Staff Member

    I didn't notice it, but thanks for pointing it out. I am now going to read it. Did you notice the top 3 reviews are all 1 star? Very remarkable for a book that has a 4.44 average rating.
     
  9. Cephalophore

    Cephalophore A farm boy with a sword

    I could be wrong, but I think the GR reviews that generate the most discussion get pushed to the top. So it stands to reason that the most controversial ones will be at the top of the page!
     
  10. Alucard

    Alucard In the name of the Pizza Lord. Charge! Staff Member

    From what I see it's the ones with most likes, not with most comments.
     
  11. Ryan W. Mueller

    Ryan W. Mueller Ran bridges next to Kaladin

    Often, 1-star reviews seem to get the most likes. I think people who hated a book like to troll the book's page for some strange reason, and when they find a 1-star review they like, they make sure it gets to the front page.
     
  12. Alucard

    Alucard In the name of the Pizza Lord. Charge! Staff Member

  13. Silvion Night

    Silvion Night Sir Readalot Staff Member

    I think a lot of the hate the book receives is due to frustration because the books are released at such a sluggish pace. A sentiment I can understand.
     
  14. Vasher

    Vasher Helped Logen count his fingers

    Goodreads is the main way I find new books to read, and I read a lot of reviews there. I generally don't have a problem with them. At least they come from an honest place the vast majority of the time. Amazon is full of paid reviews and completely useless garbage by people who barely grasp the english language and are reading a book for the first time since high school. I'll take genuine fellow book lovers who have a tendency to overhype things or rate things one star because they are a bit of a pretentious git any day. Do I roll my eyes when some of the female reviewers use gifs in their review? Sure, but that doesn't automatically make them unintelligent or what they have to say worthless. I know some very smart women who do that. Some people are never going to see reviewing a book in as serious and sacred a light as other people do and just want to have some fun, and that's fine, imo.
     
  15. kenubrion

    kenubrion Journeyed there and back again

    Can anyone give me some examples of the tells of paid reviews. I always read reviews of books I'm interested in buying and can't recall ever feeling sure that a particular review was a paid one. But I'm very interested in being able to identify them.
     
  16. Vasher

    Vasher Helped Logen count his fingers

    I'm not proud of it, but there was a period of a few months where I wrote paid reviews. I was young and I needed money, it is what it is. The unfortunate thing is that there aren't always obvious tells. They'll typically be short, but so are many genuine reviews. They typically won't mention character names or go into very specific detail, but so do many genuine reviews. What I will say is that in all that time I was never asked to review a book anywhere other than amazon. Amazon is what people are willing to pay for, because that's the point of purchase. Goodreads is an entirely separate site, you can't buy books there, so it never even seems to cross people's mind to spend money on goodreads reviews. Personally I don't even look at amazon reviews for books anymore, they're completely useless.
     
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  17. Sneaky Burrito

    Sneaky Burrito Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member

    Be skeptical if (especially if a few of these arise in combination with each other):

    (1) The reviewer says something like "I never read fantasy but..." and then proceeds to give the book 5 stars or compares it to something obvious like LotR or ASoIaF (because, as we know, all fantasy is NOT like those two series). (1 star and saying something is a copy of LotR is a little different, though. Like I would say that about The Sword of Shannara. But no one would pay for a 1 star review of a book from 1977, either.)

    (2) Low levels of detail as mentioned by @Vasher.

    (3) Click on the reviewer's profile. If they don't have their reviews hidden, check out some of the other reviews. Are there a whole bunch of reviews of self-published books by the same author and not much else? Lots of reviews written on the same day or not much reviewing history at all? Is everything 5 stars (or maybe 4 stars)?

    (4) Anything at all about product testing in the profile description. These are the coupon club folks who are willing to give 5 stars to any shoddy electronic device or sketchy face cream or questionable supplement out there, even though the practice of receiving anything other than books for a review has been disallowed by Amazon. Some of them have taken to reviewing books, as well.

    (5) Now that Harriet Klausner has passed away, be skeptical of any review by Grady Harp. But he mostly reviews stuff that wouldn't pop up on the radar of folks here.

    (6) Anything that sounds like it was copied from the book blurb. Or that actually was copied from the book blurb.

    Don't worry so much about:

    Lots of no-detail reviews for the same book (great, loved it, etc.) right after publication, if it is from a major publisher or well-known author. These are probably people who bought and read the book on their Kindles and then actually typed something in that rating pop-up screen after finishing, even though they have no business posting useless crap like that. (I always exit out of the screen and write something up at my leisure later on. I think some people don't realize what they put there posts as a review.) They're useless (even more so since Amazon dropped the 20-word limit for reviews), but they're unlikely to be paid for.
     
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  18. kenubrion

    kenubrion Journeyed there and back again

    Nice reply Vasher, quite informative since you've actually done it.
     
  19. kenubrion

    kenubrion Journeyed there and back again

    Thanks Sneaky, I was glad to see you responded as you are one of the illustrious top 100 reviewers, you're so prolific and your reviews are always very informative. I like how Amazon puts your reviews on the first page no matter when you get around to reviewing something. They get a lot of value from your contributions.

    I'll be watching for all your suggested tells, and I will say that the "I don't usually read fantasy..." is one I've assumed is a tell of a paid review. I stop reading at that point. And yes, these two word reviews that are obviously from the end of the book on the Kindle are just worthless. I wish they would end that function.
     
  20. Nuomer1

    Nuomer1 A Poet of the Khaiem

    Actually . . . Someone please check me on this, but I seem to remember a bit of fuss a couple of years ago when Amazon bought Goodreads? A lot of regulars and reviewers disappeared from Goodreads forums at about that time. Some of them have returned.
     

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